(Backup) Week 4/5 of November I suppose

November, uhh

Last weekend I went to New York City for Anime NYC, awesome experience but short lived because I basically went right back to work.

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Week 5/6 with Bill Morrow

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The Gathering's six-part Book of Job series led by the Rev. Dr. Bill Morrow (Professor of Hebrew Scriptures at Queen's School of Religion) continues this Sunday, Nov. 24.  

Part 5 in the series focuses on the question: "What is Yahweh's Perspective?" (Job 38:1-15). 

If you wish you can read Job 38–39; 40:6–41:34 ahead of time.  All are welcome.

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Yahweh is

What is the point of job 38-41

How would a suffering person benefit from the Yahweh speeches?

1. Is the world truly anthropometric?

Are chaos and order irreconcilable opposites?

Does the crested order perfectly reflect the character of god?

Spot the differences

Is the same dirty is job chapter 2 and in job 38-41?

No Satan, jo return to discussion in heavenly court.

The 38-41 deconstruction does not help the overarching persona of the book as a whole.

This particular god in 1-2 is a god who cannot he trusted, even by the wholly righteous to not behave cruelly and arbitrarily.

Destroying his servants welfare to serve his own narcissistic interests.

We lose something through the divine presentation of Yahweh’s speeches

According to Yahweh:

Two perspectives

Job 1-2 consults wi tu members of his heavenly council

Has absolute power

Job 38-42

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Suffering and the exodus

“After a long time the king of Egypt died, the Israelites groaned under their slavery and cried out. Out of the slavery their cry for help rose up to god. God heard their groaning and god remembered his covenant with Abraham Isaac and Jacob. God looked upon the Israelites and god took notice of them.”

Exidus 2:23-25

God is known as shadday, and reveals himself to Moses as Yahweh

The behemoth and leviathan.

Bill thinks that the mythical monsters that the people of the time believed existed in the world.

The creatures symbolize a certain degree of chaos in the natural world. Whether or not they exist the idea is important. These are the zenith of the argument that is in ch 38, Yahweh is taking responsibility that there is random and chaos in the world.

The differences of the ch 1-2 job god and the 38-42 job god.

These writers are trying to find an idealistic and aspect of gods. What is god and what is his repationsuop to suffering. What is his relationship in this world.

Sugfrstinf that job discovers new aspects of god.

Gods omnipotence is potential, it is not always realized.

In the psalms it is understood that god is always able to interfere with the world. These psalms would not make any sense if the assertion of divine creative power was not realized. Thus gods omnipotence is potential, it is not always realized.

God is clearly indicated that he limited him self in 38-41.

This doesn’t mean god is unable to override them, thus exodus reference.

Corporation universe works out how it works out

Questions:

Cinderella Question:

The concept of jobs god changes

To what extent is what happens to us in life the will of God?

That’s all for now!

(Backup) First Gathering in November

A solid month since I’ve been to the Gathering?

Lots of Sunday events, crazy.

Picked up Maria from Toronto two weeks ago, went to the Murder mystery with QBGC last week on Sunday, and before that I think I was spending a lot of time with Brittney, so that’s been my Sunday’s for October.

Now I’m focusing on fixing my car (ha ha), cleaning my future living space downstairs, and ... whatever else I’m doing.

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Bill Morrow speaking

Part two in a six part series on Job

“Did the devil make him do it?” Job 2:1-10

Agenda

Plot and characters

Testing motif

Utility of faith

Question

Outline of job 1-2

Who is job?  Who is Satan?

’Job is blameless and upright one who fears god and turned away from evil’

Job is the only one who gets this good of a review. 

He’s basically an all star, religious icon

Then he loses everything, and he is currently losing his health

Who is the Satan?

Hebrew root word ‘to be an adversary’

The gospels are especially prominent in mentioning Satan.

John 17:14-15

Satan was coming in from the field for a board meeting with ceo  universe.

He is Yahweh’s chief spy. Head of the security and intelligence.

The following chapters contain the war of words

It is an imaginative way to show Gods thought process,

The nature of the test. The benefit of not just, mwhy do bad things happen to good peoples

What ya Job about

The nature of faith:

Game theory and the Bible

Do we believe in God because God is useful?

Does everything that exists have to have a utilitarian value?

Questions:

Satan definition?

Not gods adversary, but he has an adversarial role.

Sometimes is called diabolus, the attorney general (prosecutor)

There to prosecute, not to persecute.

There is no obvious benefit to this test, but what about the act of refining.

What about the testing of Jesus?

Different from the testing of job. A different job world, Satan Is gods enemy in the testing of Jesus, not so in Job.

The blamelessness of Jesus and the blamelessness of job are not to be equated.

Job was the foremost of the people of the east.

Moving job away from god through circumstantial change.

How much was the book of job made with circumstantial irony?

Jobs family getting removed early on. Replaced with ‘new’ ones later on. They are a background to the story.

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Timeline for Satan’s transition between job and Jesus.

Next week:

Traditions answers to why suffering comes on to people.

questions:

If “Jesus is the answer,” what is the question?

That’s all for now!